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Tripole ir kritusi. Viltīgais Kadafi paziņoja, ka tas ir tikai stratēģisks solis. Un ir iemesls viņam ticēt, kaut kā jāiepriecina Rietumi, lai pārstāj bombardēt bezjēgā. Bet atbrīvotāji, kā jau karā šauj pa kreisi un pa labi pilnīgā .... :)
Mountains of rubbish

In Tripoli, stinking garbage was piled high in the streets. In some districts, people set it on fire to stave off disease.
Electricity and running water were scarce. Residents carried containers to mosques, which often have wells, hoping to fill up. Outside one mosque, a sign read: "No water left."
In Abu Salim, bullet casings littered a square. About 50 charred cars dotted the neighbourhood.
Dozens of decomposing bodies still lay in and around a hospital in Abu Salim that was abandoned by medical staff during the fighting. It was not clear how they had died.
Five bloated bodies lay on trolleys at the entrance to the emergency department, while 25 lay in the garden, wrapped in rugs and sprinkled with lime in a vain attempt to keep down the smell. Surgical masks and gloves were scattered on the ground. Ambulances were still parked in front of the hospital.
The rebel council is pressing foreign powers to release Libyan funds frozen abroad to help it restore security, provide services and revive the economy after six months of conflict.
The United States and South Africa struck a deal on Thursday to allow the release of $1.5 billion in frozen Libya funds for humanitarian aid and other civilian needs.
But Gaddafi’s long-time allies in Africa offered him a grain of comfort on Friday by refusing to follow Arab and Western powers in recognising the NTC as the legal government.
South African President Jacob Zuma, a vocal advocate for Gaddafi, said the African Union could have prevented deaths in Libya if it had been given the chance.
“We still believe that had the AU been allowed space to work, heavy loss of life would have been averted,” he said in a statement a day after chairing an AU meeting in Addis Ababa.
Many Libyans are eager to seal the victory of a popular uprising that was inspired by those in neighbouring Egypt and Tunisia by seeing the deposed leader dead or behind bars.
“We hope we can catch Gaddafi and if we do I would like him to be put in a cage in the zoo with the animals, him and his family,” said Wajdi Ramadan, 30, a wounded fighter.

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Colonel Muammar Gaddafi has offered to enter talks with the Libyan rebels over the formation of a transitional government as loyalist fighters are pushed further to the outskirts of Tripoli and rebel forces prepare for an assault on the ousted dictator's hometown of Sirte.
Moussa Ibrahim, regime spokesman, called the New York office of the Associated Press on Saturday night and said Gaddafi wanted his son Saadi to lead talks with the National Transitional Council. Ibrahim, who was identified only by his voice, has proved one of the despot's most loyal and vocal allies as the 42-year-old regime crumbles. He said he was still in Tripoli, while Gaddafi – whom the rebels and Nato are desperately trying to capture – remained in Libya.
The offer of negotiations were slapped down quickly by a senior NTC official, who said the rebels would not talk to Gaddafi unless he surrendered.
"No negotiation is taking place with Gaddafi," said Ali Tarhouni, the rebel official in charge of oil and financial matters. He told Reuters: "If he wants to surrender, then we will negotiate and we will capture him."
Guma el-Gamaty, the UK co-ordinator of the NTC, said the rebels were "absolutely 100% not" prepared to enter into negotiations with Gaddafi about a transitional government.
He said: "The only negotiation is how to apprehend him, [for him] to tell us where he is and what conditions he wants for his apprehension: whether he wants to be kept in a single cell or shared cell or whether he wants to have his own shower or not, you know. These are the kind of negotitations we are willing to talk about."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/au ... intcmp=239

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Nelasītas ziņa tas_pats_lv » 01 Sep 2011 00:02

Fight goes on, says Kadhafi son: TV audio tape

AFP - Seif al-Islam, fugitive son of fallen Libyan dictator Moamer Kadhafi, said Wednesday in an audio tape on an Arabic-language channel that he was still in Tripoli and the fight against rebels goes on.

"I am talking to you from a suburb of Tripoli," he told the Damascus-based Al-Rai television station. "We want to reassure the Libyan people that we are still here. The resistance continues and victory is near."

Al-Rai 10 days ago broadcast messages from his father, after Libyan state television fell into rebel hands.

"Every Libyan is Moamer Kadhafi, every Libyan is Seif al-Islam... Wherever you find yourself face to face with the enemy, fight him," Seif al-Islam said in Wednesday's audio message.

His father is also on the run, but rebel leaders say they are sure he is still in Libya and that they are closing in on him.

East of Tripoli on Wednesday, rebels clashed sporadically with loyalists on the road from Zliten to Bani Walid, where the insurgents believe Kadhafi could be hiding.

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Īsāk sakot, Lībija ir sākusies pareizo un nepareizo tīrīšana tīri amerikāniskā stilā - Linča tiesa, pats pretīgākais pilsoņu kara posms. Šinī posmā ļoti daudz cilvēki var atrast motīvu sadarboties ar Kadafi.

http://www.france24.com/en/20110903-lib ... er-tripoli
Libya's new leaders seek to restore order in Tripoli

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Bildē ir 7,62mm `melnais kalašņikovs`, respektīvi AK-103:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-103

Sākts ražots 1994. gadā, tātad nonācis Lībijā jau pēcpadomju laikā.

Nezinu, vai šis fakts ir `big deal`, tomēr interesanta nianse.

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9K116 raksta:Nezinu, vai šis fakts ir `big deal`, tomēr interesanta nianse.
Man daudz vairāk uztrauc tas, ka tas nēģēris guļ blakus miris. :) Turklāt kalašņikovam ir dubultmagazina, otra piestiprināta ar skoču :) Un ja viņam ir jauns kalašņikovs, tad nemaz nevar zināt vai viņš ir "labais". :)

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tas_pats_lv raksta:Un ja viņam ir jauns kalašņikovs, tad nemaz nevar zināt vai viņš ir "labais"
Nu Kalašņikova konteksts ir drusku cits. Ja Kadafi režīms nav pircis no krieviem ieročus PĒC 1994. gada (vai ja krievi nav pārdevuši), tad gandrīz vai sanāk, ka arī Krievija ir pa kluso apbruņojusi nemierniekus ar melnajiem kalašņikoviem?

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Es domāju, ka Lībija ir oficiāli pirkusi šos ieročus, jo pirms šīs monarhistu sacelšanās nebija ieroču embargo. Lībija pat gatavojās iepirkt ko lielāku, kā jaunus tankus un gan jau arī pretgaisa aizsardzību, bet to Krievija nobremzēja.
U.S. firms have good reason to rush to Libya. The oil-rich nation is sitting atop a giant cash surplus, with foreign reserves of nearly $140 billion. Muammar Gaddafi, who has ruled Libya for four decades and was once described by Ronald Reagan as "the mad dog of the Middle East," has said he intends to spend a lot of that money overhauling his country's creaking infrastructure, which was barely updated through more than two decades of international embargoes. (U.S. sanctions were lifted in 2004 following Libya's abandonment of its nuclear weapons program.)
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Nelasītas ziņa tas_pats_lv » 09 Sep 2011 16:38

NTC forces last week warned loyalists that they must surrender by Saturday, or face a military onslaught.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14853369

Diez ANO tad viņus arī izsludinās par vardarbības upuriem?

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But even as Libya's new leaders tried to consolidate control over the vast country, Gadhafi loyalists pushed back hard against an assault on the town of Bani Walid, one of Gadhafi's remaining strongholds, in a sign that the battle is far from over.
While anti-Gadhafi forces have driven armed loyalists out of Tripoli, the security situation remains shaky. The capital has been flooded with weapons, including those in the hands of civilians.
Earlier Saturday, as reporters waited for Abdul-Jalil's arrival at the air force base, a group of fighters escorted a wooden coffin to a nearby plane. The coffin carried a fighter who was killed Friday by a young civilian in Tripoli's main square. The assailant drew a pistol and shot the fighter in the chest after being told he could not enter the square, said Rafa al-Mogherbi, a fighter who witnessed the shooting.
Anti-Gadhafi forces control much of Libya, but have had trouble driving loyalists out of three strongholds, including the town of Bani Walid, where fierce fighting raged Saturday. From hiding, the fugitive Gadhafi has exhorted loyalists to keep fighting in audio messages.
On Saturday night, a radio station in Bani Walid rebroadcast Gadhafi's last recording, in which he urged his followers to rise up and fight, saying "this is the zero hour."
"Shame on you if you don't fight. If you don't fight, you will go to hell," he said in the message, which was repeatedly replayed on the station.
Revolutionary forces and regime loyalists had been engaged in off-and-on surrender talks in Bani Walid, a town about 90 miles (140 kilometers) southeast of Tripoli, for more than a week.
On Saturday afternoon, anti-Gadhafi fighters in a desert valley some two miles (three kilometers) from Bani Walid came under heavy attack from loyalists. Loud explosions were heard as mortar rounds struck the area, releasing clouds of dust and smoke. Snipers also targeted rebel fighters, as ambulances sped up and down the main road into town.
Some said disagreements broke out over which group of fighters should lead the assault on Bani Walid. The town is a base of the Warfala tribe, one of Libya's largest.

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Man patika ziņa par to, ka SVF ir atzinis Lībijas dumpinieku valdību par likumīgu. Interesanti, kas gan SVF ir devis tādas tiesības?

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Nelasītas ziņa tas_pats_lv » 15 Sep 2011 19:27

Libyan Arab Jamahiriya3 1,123.7 0.47 Farhat Omer Bengdara 11,978 0.48
Abdallah Ali Khalifa
Lībijai ir 0,48 procentu balsu, kur Latvijai ievērojamie 0,09% :D

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Nelasītas ziņa tas_pats_lv » 16 Sep 2011 15:41

Libyan fighters press into Gadhafi strongholds
By HADEEL AL-SHALCHI and RYAN LUCAS
Associated Press
SIRTE, Libya (AP) -- Libyan revolutionary forces escalated offensives Friday into two key strongholds of Moammar Gadhafi's rule, but met stiff resistance from snipers and loyalist gunners in Gadhafi's hometown and a mountain enclave where a pro-regime radio station urged followers to fight to the end.
Trucks and tanks are also approaching Sirte, hours after an advance was forced back by Gaddafi loyalists.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14947465
Ir video, kur var redzēt tankus. ;) Diez kā aplenktajiem ar prettanku ieročiem?

Vakar kad Kamerūns un mazais francūzis bija Tripolē viņi teicās par jaunu ANO rezolūciju, kas atceltu no-fly zone un ieroču embargo. Bet šodien nav ne miņas par šādu kustību.

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tas_pats_lv raksta:Diez kā aplenktajiem ar prettanku ieročiem?
Gan jau ka norūpējušās Rietumvalstis būs atsūtījušas attiecīgu humāno palīdzību, bez pienācīgas pretgaisa aizsardzības tanki ir visai viegls mērķis triecienlidmašīnām un iznīcinātājiem-bumbvedējiem...

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9K116 raksta:
tas_pats_lv raksta:Diez kā aplenktajiem ar prettanku ieročiem?
Gan jau ka norūpējušās Rietumvalstis būs atsūtījušas attiecīgu humāno palīdzību, bez pienācīgas pretgaisa aizsardzības tanki ir visai viegls mērķis triecienlidmašīnām un iznīcinātājiem-bumbvedējiem...
Tagad ielenktie ir Kadafi piekritēji un par mierīgajiem iedzīvotājiem šauj nedisciplinēts monarhistu bars. :)
Gadhafi's spokesman, Moussa Ibrahim, vowed, "We have the ability to continue this resistance for months," in a phone call Friday to Syrian-based Al-Rai TV, which has become the mouthpiece for the former regime.
BANI WALID, Libya (AP) -- Libyan revolutionary forces repelled an attack by Moammar Gadhafi loyalists on Sunday but faced fierce resistance from a valley separating them from the loyalist stronghold of Bani Walid, fighters said.
Explosions resounded across the area and smoke rose on the horizon as the two sides exchanged fire with rockets and anti-aircraft missiles.
Fighters said they made the push without orders from commanders Sunday after forces loyal to the fugitive leader shelled revolutionary lines at the northern gate of the sprawling town.
"We had no command to enter the city, but they are rocketing us and throwing mortars at us so we had to push through," said Sherif Tajouri, a 41-year-old member of a brigade from the nearby town of Tajoura.
NATO aircraft circled the area, but former rebels say there was no sign of airstrikes.
Reinforcements from Tajoura, meanwhile, posed on a tank they said was captured after revolutionary forces swept into Tripoli on Aug. 21. Fathi Mselati, 31, from the Tajoura brigade, said more captured tanks were on their way to the front.
The forces were met by a rain of gunfire, rockets and mortars. A field hospital set up outside Sirte at a gas station filled with wounded fighters, including some from a convoy hit by a rocket-propelled grenade. Twenty-four anti-Gadhafi fighters were killed and 54 wounded in the day's battles, the military council from the nearby city of Misrata reported.
The two sides continued to exchange fire on Sunday.
On a third front in Libya's southern desert, hundreds of revolutionary fighters were negotiating with villagers in the still pro-Gadhafi region to surrender peacefully. The fighters collected on a road near the Nahrouqa village on Sunday.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ ... 8-04-51-10

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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/afric ... index.html
Harbor sanctuary for Gadhafi's migrants
By Raja Razek and Libby Lewis, CNN
They are living on scraps, in poor sanitary conditions, and fearful of being mistakenly identified as mercenaries who fought for the ousted Libyan leader Colonel Moammar Gadhafi.
In one cooking pot a chicken lies at least a quarter covered in flies. Until recently there has only been salt water available. And there are dark tales of women being dragged away in the middle of the night to be raped by armed gangs.
An estimated 1,200 men, women and children have turned the upturned fishing boats at Janzour harbor into a makeshift camp of tents and boats.
One woman says she has seen armed men pick out women and take them away to be raped. Others at Janzour told CNN similar stories.

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Sep 24, 11:57 AM EDT
Libyans with no leadership quit Bani Walid front
By HADEEL AL-SHALCHI
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WADI DINAR, Libya (AP) -- Many revolutionary fighters are abandoning one of the main fronts in the battle to rout Moammar Gadhafi's loyalists, saying they're not afraid of dying in the face of heavy resistance but are tired of the disorganization and lack of ammunition among their own ranks.
Bani Walid has proven impenetrable in part because of its daunting natural defenses - the town of 100,000 is strung along mountain ravines where loyalists hold the high ground. But the nearly month-old assault has only underscored the disarray in the forces of Libya's new rulers, which include both a relatively organized military and brigades of untrained volunteers.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ ... 4-11-57-56

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Nelasītas ziņa tas_pats_lv » 04 Okt 2011 12:30

Libya conflict: New offensive on Sirte
3 October 2011 Last updated at 12:59 GMT
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15148491

Forces of the Libyan transitional government have launched a new offensive against the pro-Gaddafi stronghold of Sirte.
Barrages of rocket and tank fire were being directed at the city centre after a two-day lull in fighting.
Hundreds more civilians have escaped from the town, but humanitarian workers fear there are thousands more unable or unwilling to leave.
In the south, more than 1,200 African migrants are being evacuated to Chad.

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Nelasītas ziņa tas_pats_lv » 08 Okt 2011 18:00

Russia accuses NATO of increasing casualties in Libya

MOSCOW, Oct. 6 (Xinhua) -- Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Thursday accused NATO of mounting the number of casualties during the civil war in Libya.
"The international community and our Western partners in the first place followed the path of supporting one side in the civil war. Perhaps, this side expressed the interests of the Libyan people, but at the cost of civilian casualties," Lavrov told a news briefing following talks with his Djibouti counterpart, Mahamoud Ali Youssouf.
Lavrov said the UN resolutions aimed at protecting Libyan civilians have worked in the opposite direction.
"We don't accept the claims from NATO that the bloc's intervention saved lots of lives. This is an attempt of wishful thinking," the top Russian diplomat said.
Jau n-to dienu ziņo par jaunās monarhistu karspēka uzbrukumu Sirtei. Tiek izmantoti pat tanki, bet acīmredzot Sitre bija gatava pat cīņām ar NATO kājiniekiem, tā kā viņiem munīcijas ir pietiekami, pret kaut kādiem "civilistiem". :) Sirtes aizstāvju tagad Rietumu avīžnieki dēvē par "militia", bet diez vai tā ir patiesība. Patiesībā ir pazudusi informācija, kas notika ar Bani-Walid, jo nav ziņu , ka viņa ir kritusi, bet tikai ziņas, ka monarhisti atkāpās, nespējā uzturēt divas frontes. :)
The country's new rulers have been trying for weeks to take Sirte and Bani Walid, where NTC fighters have been unable to progress further than the outskirts of the vast desert oasis despite nearly a month of combat.
http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Gadda ... d-20111004
Gaddafi son defending Bani Walid
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Libya's NTC steps back after heavy fighting with Gaddafi remnants in Sirte
English.news.cn 2011-10-17 05:47:46
TRIPOLI, Oct. 16 (Xinhua) -- Fighters of Libya' s ruling National Transitional Council (NTC) on Sunday retreated from several positions in the northern coastal town of Sirte, so as to allow NATO to bomb sites that are holding up the remaining forces of the previous leadership.

According to a source close to the NTC, their fighters fought fierce battles on Sunday with the diehard loyalists of fallen leader Muammar Gaddafi at the Dollar district and the so-called Area Two of Sirte, hometown of the country's 42-year-long ruler.

The battles forced the NTC fighters to pull back, which will give way to NATO's aircraft and heavy artilleries aiming at hideouts of the pro-Gaddafi forces, said the source, who asked to remain anonymous.
Libya's Bani Walid "liberated:" official

TRIPOLI, Oct. 16 (Xinhua) -- An official of Libya's ruling National Transitional Council (NTC) said Sunday that Bani Walid, one of a couple of remaining strongholds of fallen leader Muammar Gaddafi, has been "liberated."
Principā izskatās, ka Lībija mēģina cik vien iespējams ātri iziet no "NATO mērķa" statusa. Droši vien ar domu, ka otrreiz neviens neko tādu neatļaus :)

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Nelasītas ziņa tas_pats_lv » 20 Okt 2011 10:57

Gaddafi 'is recruiting fighters from other African countries'
The ousted Libyan leader is planning an insurgency to destabilise the new regime, according to the acting PM

Libya's acting prime minister has said that Muammar Gaddafi is believed to be recruiting fighters from other African countries and preparing for a possible insurgency, hoping to destabilise Libya's new regime.

Wednesday's comments by Mahmoud Jibril reflected fears that the ousted leader would be able to use friendly relations with neighbouring countries cultivated during his more than four decades in power to help him launch a bid to return to power.

"Reports have shown that 68 vehicles with at least eight fighters each crossed the Libyan borders to Mali and Gaddafi is hiding in the southern desert," Jibril told reporters.

He said Gaddafi had made a deal with the Hamada tribe, which roams the borders between Chad, Sudan and Libya, to provide 12,000 fighters "to enter Libya and start the fight".

Gaddafi loyalists have already put up fierce resistance in several areas, preventing Libya's new leaders from declaring full victory nearly two months after forces loyal to the interim Libyan government seized Tripoli and many other parts of the oil-rich north African country.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oc ... -countries

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20 October 2011 Last updated at 09:57 GMT
Anti-Gaddafi forces 'seize Sirte'
NTC fighters celebrating in Sirte, 20 October NTC fighters are celebrating in Sirte
Libya's transitional government soldiers have taken full control of Sirte, the last city where Gaddafi loyalists had remained holed up, eyewitnesses and reporters say.
They say the final push lasted about 90 minutes on Thursday morning.
Government soldiers have been engaged in a fierce battle for Sirte - Col Muammar Gaddafi's hometown - for weeks.
Some Gaddafi loyalists are still resisting government forces in the town of Bani Walid, south-east of Tripoli.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15384335

Principā ar to var uzskatīt, ka Lībijā vairs nav "Kadafi" "spēku". :) Urā! :)

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Oct 20, 10:23 AM EDT
With warped vision, Gadhafi maddened Libya, West
By KIM GAMEL and LEE KEATH
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TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) -- During nearly 42 years in power in Libya, Moammar Gadhafi was one of the world's most eccentric dictators, so mercurial that he was both condemned and courted by the West, while he brutally warped his country with his idiosyncratic vision of autocratic rule until he was finally toppled by his own people.
The modern Arab world's longest-ruling figure, Libya's "Brother Leader" displayed striking contrasts. He was a sponsor of terrorism whose regime was blamed for blowing up two passenger jets, who then helped the U.S. in the war on terror. He was an Arab nationalist who mocked Arab rulers. In the crowning paradox, he preached a "revolutionary" utopia of people power but ran a one-man dictatorship that fueled the revolution against him.
His death on Thursday at age 69 - confirmed by Prime Minister Mahmoud Jibril - came as Libyan fighters defeated Gadhafi's last holdouts in his hometown of Sirte, the last major site of resistance in the country.
Their final declaration of victory came weeks after Gadhafi was swept from power by rebels who drove triumphantly into the capital of Tripoli on Aug. 21, capping a six-month civil war.
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Re: Lībija (2011)

Nelasītas ziņa 9K116 » 21 Okt 2011 08:26

Nu ko, ja ticēt vakardienas ziņām, kad biedrs Muamars ir pagalam, faktiski pūļa nolinčots :( Ja tas viss ir taisnība, tad jau laikam ka Lībijā viss pa lielam ir beidzies, un sāksies kaut kas jauns.

Bet vispār šie notikumi mani uzvedināja uz plašākām pārdomām, un proti, Lībijas gadījums laikam ir lieliska ilustrācija tam, cik neviennozīmīgi mēdz būt vēsturiskie notikumi. Un cik maz mēs par tiem patiesībā zinām.

Īsāk sakot, nav noliedzams, ka Kadafi valdīšanas laikā Lībijā bija:
- sekulāra un progresīva sabiedrība, ja ne savādāk, tad vismaz un konservatīvi-fundamentālo arābu valstu fona;
- gana augsts dzīves līmenis un valdības rūpes par sabiedrību - ne jau velti šo faktoru pieminēja tie vai citi neosociālisti, un līdz ar to diez vai viņš bija gluži izzīsts no pirksta.

Tai pat laikā, nav noliedzams, ka:
- Kadafi režīms/izlūkdienesti savulaik bija vainojami, šķiet, britu lidmašīnas spridzināšanā;
- Lībijas teritorijā mēdza uzturēties tās vai citas ar islama terorismu saistītas personas, pie kam gan tās, kuras meklēja amerikāņi (Al Qaedas un OBL cilvēki), gan tās, kuras meklēja krievi (čečenu un Z-Kaukāza džamaāta darboņi).

Bez tam, nav skaidra vēl viena lieta. Ok, ja jau Kadafi režīms bija tik sociāli progresīvs un ar augstu dzīves līmeni, no kurienes eventuāli radās tāds kvantums dumpinieku? Nu nevar uzvarēt nevienu pilsoņu karu ar izteikta mazākuma atbalstu, tā tas nenotiek, vismaz vēsturē laikam ka nav precedentu. Nu, var jau būt, ka dumpinieku aizjūras draugi izmantoja kādas jaunas polittehnoloģijas, kā pārliecināt Lībijas tautu par to, ka tieši dumpinieku, un nevis valdības lieta ir taisna un pareiza - arī tas, iespējams, ir izskatīšanas jautājums (tikai diez vai bez kādiem faktiem vai papildus infas mēs to varēsim adekvāti izskatīt :lol: )...

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Re: Lībija (2011)

Nelasītas ziņa tas_pats_lv » 23 Okt 2011 16:55

9K116 raksta:Nu ko, ja ticēt vakardienas ziņām, kad biedrs Muamars ir pagalam, faktiski pūļa nolinčots :( Ja tas viss ir taisnība, tad jau laikam ka Lībijā viss pa lielam ir beidzies, un sāksies kaut kas jauns.
Nu pēc 14 dienu militārām aktivitātēm, - pūļa nolinčots saki? :) Un pēc mazāk "dzeltenām" ziņām - Muamara konvojs vienkārši nokļuvis krustugunīs, jo mēģinājis pamest pilsētu - Sirti. Citi konvoji pametuši. Un uz šo brīdi vel nekas nav beidzies, jo "zaļajai pretošanās" kustībai ir labs atbalsts Sīrijā. ;) Bet tas nav ziņu analīzes lauciņš.

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